Higgs Bet Announce and Discussion Forum
Please do not post off-topic. These posts will be deleted (10-04-17). Unfortunately, due to excessive spam the discussion is closed now (30.06.10).Sender: Alexander
Institution: www.vom-urknall-zum-durchknall.de
Sent : 30. November 2009 22:40
from host: /77.135.170.88
My announce/My comment:
Well, I am still awaiting the CERN members placing their courageous bets!
Sender: Ronald Schleyer
Institution: THE SOCIETY FOR FACES
Sent : 04. December 2009 04:38
from host: /64.254.186.165
My announce/My comment:
Incidentally, Mr. Unzicker, you surely know that the whole of Standard Model physics will fall in pieces when the Higgs particle turns up missing, as it surely will. There are two principal lines of argument, one physical and the other philosophic. (1) All mass arises from the kinetic and (masked) potential energy of the self-related color charges in nucleons and their interactions, which involve a type of light not known outside the nucleon. Nothing "confers" this mass; it is simply a function of the energy and the energy-mass relation (=mc2) and does not "come" from anywhere--it IS. (2) The second argument follows Hegel, realizing that mass as weight seeks a center outside itself (ITS SELF), accounting for gravitation nonmechanistically. This view has never been refuted and includes within itself the explanation of so-called "dark energy" as well (repulsion and attraction as fundamentally connected to mass relations in gravity) See the 'Philosophy of Nature' for more. The Higgs boson may be theoretically vital to modern physics but it has no necessary place in nature and so, as Leibniz would say, it does not conform to the Principle of Sufficient Reason. It will NOT be found and I would bet 100 USD at any time on this matter. My argument is dated today (3.XII.09).
Sender: Eiron F
Institution: www.reallymagazine.com
Sent : 04. December 2009 20:12
from host: /187.15.163.226
My announce/My comment:
I'm not yet confident enough to place a bet on the possible discovery of the Higgs boson - but I'm willing to speculate on its corresponding antiparticle. For the anti-Higgs could be extremely attractive proposition ! Just imagine the commercial possibilities of a boson which could remove mass from any object ! I am therefore willing to wager [ minus $100 ]
Sender: Cormac O Raifeartaigh
Institution: Waterford Institute of Technology
Sent : 05. December 2009 19:16
from host: /85.134.146.174
My announce/My comment:
You seem to have misunderstood the purpose of the next generation of high-energy accelerators, i.e. the LHC. The primary purpose is not to find the HIggs, but to verify whether or not such a particle exists at the expected energies. A clear null result would not be a failure but a very significant advance as it would force a rethink of the SM. That said, most particle physicists think it likely that the Higgs will show up, simply because so many SM predictions have been right. They would also regard your putting supersymmetrric particles in the same category as evaporating black holes as quite silly
Sender: Szilvási Ádám
Institution:
Sent : 06. December 2009 12:01
from host: /81.182.155.119
My announce/My comment:
"I just don't believe in the very existence of the Higgs. And I am curious if the > 3 billion Euros spent for the Large Hadron Collider at CERN will lead to something really exciting or, instead, another giant toy will have been built because there was a lack of good ideas in theoretical physics." You see, there is no shortage of theories. But no matter how many good ideas you get, its not worth a thing, if its not true. Thats why the scientific method was invented some 300 years ago, and have been the way of physics ever since. Everything starts and ends with experiments. Believe me, its worth more than 3 billion Euros even if we never find the Higgs, because a negative result is still a result. You never know until you look.
Sender: Alexander
Institution:
Sent : 06. December 2009 13:15
from host: /93.133.134.204
My announce/My comment:
Dear Cormac, Dear Adam, of course, physics does not work without experiments. I don't even object to the LHC, but one should be honest: it is playing with higher energies and we are curious about the outcome. But I also believe that a non-observation of the Higgs would not do serious harm to the standard model: it has become <em> too big too fail </em>, people will fix it with new free parameters. I think we are on the way to new Ptolemaic epicycles, it's too complicated stuff to be true. If you believe in Supersymmetry, tell Intrade to set up a contract! I'll bet.
Sender: wil9000
Institution: Urt
Sent : 07. December 2009 19:34
from host: /74.2.230.250
My announce/My comment:
Sucker Bet. Never take a sucker bet. The odds of finding the Higgs are identical to that of finding the Philosopher's Stone, The Lumious Aether, a live unicorn (or a dead one for that matter) or a Republican with a Soul. Effectively zero. But don't stop looking for it, by all means because just as the many dead ends of Alchemy led us to modern chemistry and physics, the hunt for the Higgs will lead us to something even better. String Theory is the dead end that will make the next quantum leap possible. Just watch.
Sender: Mindaugas
Institution:
Sent : 05. January 2010 23:41
from host: /78.58.16.40
My announce/My comment:
It will be discovered.
Sender: [email protected]
Institution:
Sent : 15. February 2010 23:28
from host: /217.203.73.59
My announce/My comment:
.....non si puo commentare e ne discutere sulla complicazione del vuoto ipotesi e teorie sulla quantistica ed inflazionaria non hanno equazioni matematici e ne di modello detto in soldoni o meglio la ricerca del bosone di dio pardon mi correggo il bosone del nulla è nella complicazione stessa semplicemente pensarlo
Sender: eleni petrakou
Institution:
Sent : 17. February 2010 19:05
from host: /147.102.143.30
My announce/My comment:
Alexander, imho it's ok to advertise your ideas and you might as well be right (I'd also bet against the existence of higgs), but shouting that the reason for building the lhc is discovering the higgs and claiming that the "success of the work at cern" would be its discovery, is going against the notion of science you claim to serve. The prime goal of building the lhc is finding out *whether* higgs exists or not, along with looking for new physical phenomena! Stop the propaganda.
My comment: Dear Eleni, I agree that the Higgs discovery is not THE success, but one success. But if it is not found, surely this is not a success but a painful result for the standard model. Alexander
Sender: OlbersD
Institution:
Sent : 19. February 2010 10:38
from host: /95.222.228.77
My announce/My comment:
No, the prime goal of building the LHC is not merely finding out *whether* higgs exists or not, but whether the SM is true or wrong. If the higgs does not exist, the SM is either wrong or at least no reasonable theory, since there are no prdictions from that theory that are clearly true or false. A theory with free parameters that can not be fixed by experiment is nonsense.
Sender: Gurpreet Singh
Institution: Glasgow,UK
Sent : 06. April 2010 16:19
from host: /194.176.105.45
My announce/My comment:
I can bet that Higgs particles can be found. But Higgs are not the ultimate particles; not the God's particles. Still exists number of particles smaller than Higgs. It is the limitation of man made energy production sources to get the tracks of those particles. One requires million Tera ev energy to find those particles. They requires energy equivalent to fusion energy in the core of the sun.